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It looks better when it's mowed and tilled, but I've been rehabbing from back surgery and didn't maintain it this season. (Also why I'm so slow! First ride of the year). http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jsKTxATGo4g

Thx. Wasn't sure and wanted to check. I may have to go to Malvern over the cliff: 45 min vs 2 hour drive.

Bikes and quads for the open practice?

i think it's a good idea. A sub-forum would draw more quad riders to participate in the local discussion and thus local racing. I've read this forum for years but only recently started participating because I got fed up with all the bashing and saw some quad riders like Tim trying to make a...

Here's an idea: get local pros involved. If the Cliff does a quad-only day in 2013, communicate that with Baldwin Motorsports. See if they'll bring the rig down and promote it. Contact Josh Upperman and get him to bring his practice quad down and ride for the day. At the least, encourage local...

New riders is an interesting angle, though cost is a big factor. To handle an MX track well, a quad rider needs that initial $8,000 investment in a (new) machine plus suspension and a few motor mods. Unlike bikes, it's a little more costly to hit the MX track as opposed to the trails on a quad...

I was going to make my first trip ever to the Cliff today. Bummed. Doesn't look like Sandy is going to let that happen this year.

That's all I'm saying. Just give us a place to ride. I can ride a track full of bike ruts (I did it for years at Spring Valley and other places) and still do it smoothly and quickly, which is the goal in my opinion. If a biker can't figure out a track that gets a little hard pack in areas, then...

my point is, I have no problem riding with bikes. It doesn't have to be a quad-only day.

I'll reserve my judgement of how OMA treats quads until more info is released. But I will say I hope we're treated fairly - on race day AND practice day - at every OMA track. Tim hitthe nail on the head in terms of how many quad riders perceive the Ohio mx scene and how we are treated by many...

why? Why is everyone so against quads?

Sweet! Loved that track. Bikes only, or are you going to let us throttle pushers back in?

Yes, I know the quads were on Thursdays this year, which would have been awesome but they were always the same week of the ATV nats, so a lot of us were on the road that day -- hence low turnouts. I was just hoping for one practice there this year but I guess it's not in the cards.

... I hope so : )

Brown, too. Rachael's good people, too. My point is, quads will show you the love and respect if you give us the chance. Avoid elitism and show us you don't have just world-class facilities, but world-class people too.

... I really hope you guys include quads. Keeping us out would not only hurt you and us, but the local moto industry; race fuel distributors, parts sales, service shops and more. It would really send a terrible message about the Ohio moto scene if some of the state's best tracks say "We don't...

Why not including quads in any of these end of the season practices? This is the first Wednesday I've had the evening off work and could actually go since the nationals ended and would love to.

Thank you BC for keeping quads in mind, even though it was in your "dream" series/schedule. I find it ironic that track owners and promoters are creating threads lately about how to fix the low turnout problem when so many of you won't let quads through your gates and you're talking about not...

I will make it to the next quad practice somehow even if it is before a national weekend, and I'll try to drag someone with me too. Do you know when the next quad practice is?

Don't get me wrong, I remember the years when there were no quad practices and am grateful Jason is trying to work us in. Just trying to support a change so I can make it and maybe help get a better turn out for the track too.