JO made a comment that a race cost 8 times more than a practice day? That comment kind of hit me funny. I would be very curious to know why it would be 8 times more to run a race than a practice day? Still need flaggers, still need an ambulance, still need the water, equipment, and tractors, still need someone taking money and waivers at sign up. What are the things that cost 8 times more?
Next hot day you grab the fam and come to the pool.
KuhhSlam.I said a typical race cost 5 times as much, we are up to 8x the cost the Battle for Ohio.
Squad - $500 min. for the day
Awards - at least $750
Payout for A classes - Probably $1000 going cheap
Flaggers and help $500
insurance - $1000
$3750, trust me this is doing it on the cheap.
Normal practice - Fuel, equipment, portajohns, ins, help - $750 per day.
Battle for Ohio
$2600 in awards
$1000 in bookoo product
$500 in hard candy girls
$500 for a stage , Dj etc.
$600 in extra portjohns just for this race
$1800 in acerbis track markers
Its actually closer to 10x the normal practice.
Do I need to continue???
My dad has been a member of DMC since 1967. If they draw say 250 riders (which is pretty normal count for them), they make in the neighborhood of $6500 to $7000 off a motocross.
If I am JO and have had bad experience with races in the past I am not spending the money on some of the things he has listed.
BC draws over 200 riders for a practice and they don't have any onsite paramedics?
250 riders - $25 a class = $6250, and many run multiple classes
$10 a head to get in, lets say 750 people = $7500
Concessions add a little more money.
All equipment is paid for, they do not buy brand new tractors. Fuel for tractors. It is a club, so no one is paid. Yes they can clear $6500
i dont' think that you 2 are comparing apples to apples. What JO is talking is one BIG race a year in which HE decides to add "bonuses" for the riders and spectators and John is taling about just a local normal race. If DMC would add this things to their LOCAL race it may add to their crowd but i doubt it though. People go to DMC because they are local and its a local track IMO. What the Cliff is trying to do is draw from all of those crowds for a BIG ohio race. Again this is all just my opinion from a dumb racer.
KuhhSlam.
I didn't say you called me a homo 23. I was just letting you know the homo stereotype if you didn't know already, because I'm sure you haven't refilled your last months supply of bipolar meds. So when you explode next (which to me is probably soon given your statistics in posting "blow up" threads). Just giving you some more ammunition for your supply of lame stabs.
250 riders - $25 a class = $6250, and many run multiple classes
$10 a head to get in, lets say 750 people = $7500
Concessions add a little more money.
All equipment is paid for, they do not buy brand new tractors. Fuel for tractors. It is a club, so no one is paid. Yes they can clear $6500
Looking at your expenses, the one that just jumps out and grabs me is $1800 for track markers??? Are you serious.....disc it up, and we know where the track goes. Get some hay bales and put covers over them. I would never spend $1800 for track markers. $500 in hard candy girls..really, we are coming to race a great track, not see chicks in bikinis, $500 for stage and DJ........Theres $2800 you could save yourself in my opinion. Anyone else have an opinion?
OK, maybe I should adopt the DMC model, it seems to working very well......
Anyway. I think my point is that promotors that are trying to go above and beyond (making events cool) for the riders arent getting rich by no means, some cant even quit their day job. Ahem. Perhaps DMC or some of the other southwest tracks are making good money once or twice a year, but what about the 100 rider days (dont tell me they're all 250 rider turnouts)?? You got to average it all out, and open riding is where its at on average. We have had two days this year with less than 100 riders, the rest have been well over that mark.
If we could average 500 racers, then yes we would be racing. But at 5x the cost min., It makes no sense to run all races.
I think this thread has proven one thing, diehard racers are hard headed and they dont want to give the glory days.
I was refering to BC running local races, and making money at it. It can be done. Don kenworthy made tons of money in the 80s and 90s running local races, and eventually was rewarded with a huge pay day with the national.