indoor MX in ytown?

Bottom line is why are these other indoors posting on this, this has nothing to do with you all. Let this new track post there progress and pictures and all and leave the negative b.s out of it. Seems to me people are feeling threatened, and who does that, calling and trying to start some drama and headaches for this new track, thats pathetic
 
it has everthing to do with the other tracks. this thread started with,'if there was an indoor track larger than any other indoor currently open. . .' if everyone would have replied "no". this would not have made it past two pages.
 
I still think the suggestion about an indoor race series is a great idea. How about two races each at Ram Jam, NEMX, Switchback and Steel Valley? We'd be in.

When this whole thing started I was under the impression that their idea was to have a low profile, laid back track similar to a MX153, Papes or Off Camber. Then the other tracks jump all over it like it's some huge corporation starting up. You guys gonna come after the three mentioned here because they don't have heated restrooms?
 
I'm game for racing.

"You guys gonna come after the three mentioned here because they don't have heated restrooms? "

Since when? We have a full blown heated restrooms? Just saying.
 
How about everyone just take a vacation for three or four months.....JO runs practice clear up into Nov and opens in March....His place is worth the wait!
 
I can not believe what this has turned into. Some min of kissing contest, it seems. Hershey beat me to my first thoughts in reading this thread. Instead of bickering and showing you're absolute lack of professionalism, collaborate. Why can't there be a local "winter indoor series"? Cooler heads prevail. Each owner should have been thinking this in the first place instead of bitching about how much money you may or may not lose. If moto is "dead" the only thing this kind of s**t talking is doing is putting more nails in the coffin. Instead you should thinking of ways to get together and revive the sport we ALL love so much.

The arguments, regardless of what "points" they're making are completely pointless. Absolutely all of you who have nothing positive to say should be 100% ashamed of the idiocy coming out of your mouths. I see all this stuff with the Ohio outdoors making a come back. I hope it does. I'd even get back out there to get a few ass whippings! Why not make calls, email, write a damned letter for crying out loud and make pa/oh MX what it use to be!? I know it's difficult at the moment but there are possibilities. Sponsors etc to help with overhead. Times got tough and those who solely have the means to keep MX alive crapped out.

Now before the money this, money that starts just save it. The existing indoors already have a track. You've got one coming into the scene and rather than try and make something of it you'd much rather demolish the idea before a shovel is moved.

Let me ask something here. How many of you still care if you get a trophy or a plaque? I don't, haven't in a long time. I just love racing my dirtbike. Save stuff like that for the kids on 80s and down. There's saved money every weekend right there. That's just a small idea I had in my mind. I'm sure others could continue with that. There are ways to cut out of pocket costs and still have a too facility and bring numbers in. Seems nobody wants to take the time to find these things. All the banners hanging at these tracks, how many of them are actually HELPING your facilities? Not that I don't like seein them but if you all want MX to survive, start thinking of ways to save costs with out hurting quality. Call, email, write a damned letter to some companies see if they wouldn't be willing to help get our sport back on track. Business sells bike parts, throws some funding into a track. They get a percentage back, AND people are actually riding and racing and needing parts and equipment. I tell you right now if I owned a company as such to can bet your ass I'd be trying to help out a sport I've been in since 1987.

I'm sure some of this post is gonna come off ridiculous but you all get the idea.

Lastly in the money views, I watched kids and adults all my life showing up in bigger and bigger RVs and trailers. They come and go every year. Some only last a year. Why? Bc they're spending cash where it doesn't matter and they run themselves out. I've always simply shown up in a pick up with my bike in the back. Where all these people are spending money and disappearing I kept coming. Just as a good bunch of all of you have. 99.9% of us will never line up on a pro gate. Money doesn't make that happen. Yet people think it does.


This is why our sport is dwindling away.
 
We would be open to any race venture with the other indoors including Youngstown. I am not against them opening as many take it or suggest, just follow the process. There is no doubt they will open although it may be delayed a week, month, or few months. Hopefully all goes good when they do.
 
RAMJAMMX said:
We would be open to any race venture with the other indoors including Youngstown. I am not against them opening as many take it or suggest, just follow the process. There is no doubt they will open although it may be delayed a week, month, or few months. Hopefully all goes good when they do.
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Not to talk down on you and I mean that respectfully. If that is the case than why not take a moment to think of the possibilities here instead of all the neigh-saying? Obviously I resent the falling of our sport but comments such as some of things you've posted are by no means going to make it better. Advice, ideas, questions, should have been the first things done. Then build off that. I'm no business owner, and I don't know the ins and outs of starting a business but I have enough common sense to know that what's being said in this thread is absolutely no way to keep clientele, nor bring any new. I've seen several posts in this thread of riders saying they will NOT be going to RamJam any more. I've also seen several posts on Facebook stating the same. Now I applaud the owners for conintuing with out of pocket expenses owners have to deal with to keep our sport if not buy barely, alive. So rather than base every post on why this will/may fail why not offer advice and try and build off of it? I don't believe creekside needs the knowledge but as a crew with the same goals as the rest of you I believe fully that they would welcome it.
 
Jmmx689 said:
I can not believe what this has turned into. Some min of kissing contest, it seems. Hershey beat me to my first thoughts in reading this thread. Instead of bickering and showing you're absolute lack of professionalism, collaborate. Why can't there be a local "winter indoor series"? Cooler heads prevail. Each owner should have been thinking this in the first place instead of bitching about how much money you may or may not lose. If moto is "dead" the only thing this kind of s**t talking is doing is putting more nails in the coffin. Instead you should thinking of ways to get together and revive the sport we ALL love so much.

The arguments, regardless of what "points" they're making are completely pointless. Absolutely all of you who have nothing positive to say should be 100% ashamed of the idiocy coming out of your mouths. I see all this stuff with the Ohio outdoors making a come back. I hope it does. I'd even get back out there to get a few ass whippings! Why not make calls, email, write a damned letter for crying out loud and make pa/oh MX what it use to be!? I know it's difficult at the moment but there are possibilities. Sponsors etc to help with overhead. Times got tough and those who solely have the means to keep MX alive crapped out.

Now before the money this, money that starts just save it. The existing indoors already have a track. You've got one coming into the scene and rather than try and make something of it you'd much rather demolish the idea before a shovel is moved.

Let me ask something here. How many of you still care if you get a trophy or a plaque? I don't, haven't in a long time. I just love racing my dirtbike. Save stuff like that for the kids on 80s and down. There's saved money every weekend right there. That's just a small idea I had in my mind. I'm sure others could continue with that. There are ways to cut out of pocket costs and still have a too facility and bring numbers in. Seems nobody wants to take the time to find these things. All the banners hanging at these tracks, how many of them are actually HELPING your facilities? Not that I don't like seein them but if you all want MX to survive, start thinking of ways to save costs with out hurting quality. Call, email, write a damned letter to some companies see if they wouldn't be willing to help get our sport back on track. Business sells bike parts, throws some funding into a track. They get a percentage back, AND people are actually riding and racing and needing parts and equipment. I tell you right now if I owned a company as such to can bet your ass I'd be trying to help out a sport I've been in since 1987.

I'm sure some of this post is gonna come off ridiculous but you all get the idea.

Lastly in the money views, I watched kids and adults all my life showing up in bigger and bigger RVs and trailers. They come and go every year. Some only last a year. Why? Bc they're spending cash where it doesn't matter and they run themselves out. I've always simply shown up in a pick up with my bike in the back. Where all these people are spending money and disappearing I kept coming. Just as a good bunch of all of you have. 99.9% of us will never line up on a pro gate. Money doesn't make that happen. Yet people think it does.


This is why our sport is dwindling away.
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Actually no one was "bithcing" about money we lose at least not me. I was stating a FACT for 2 reasons. 1- It's information about how good of an investment it is. 2- Tired of people complaing about how much it costs to practice and so on. In past few years The track was smaller when we opened and I tore down room and moved pits to make bigger, Heated pits then, prep track for 1 or 70 people, replaced our lighting for $30k(it was not that good), and there's more. Hopefully I can do more improvements not for me but for the riders. This is added on top of losses on just operating costs, motgage, insurance and so on. We pay the rider to ride here, it costs more than $30 a rider to operate. I am not bitching. Some people just think you are rolling in the dough and don't appreciate what they have and the opportunities they have in northern Ohio and PA.
 
Jmmx689 said:
Not to talk down on you and I mean that respectfully. If that is the case than why not take a moment to think of the possibilities here instead of all the neigh-saying? Obviously I resent the falling of our sport but comments such as some of things you've posted are by no means going to make it better. Advice, ideas, questions, should have been the first things done. Then build off that. I'm no business owner, and I don't know the ins and outs of starting a business but I have enough common sense to know that what's being said in this thread is absolutely no way to keep clientele, nor bring any new. I've seen several posts in this thread of riders saying they will NOT be going to RamJam any more. I've also seen several posts on Facebook stating the same. Now I applaud the owners for conintuing with out of pocket expenses owners have to deal with to keep our sport if not buy barely, alive. So rather than base every post on why this will/may fail why not offer advice and try and build off of it? I don't believe creekside needs the knowledge but as a crew with the same goals as the rest of you I believe fully that they would welcome it.
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If some riders don't want to come back that's their free choice and I respect that. I have not bad mouthed anyone. The only thing I have done is to make sure we all follow the the process required. That does nothing to change the possibilites. Some may agree and some may not.
 
I nominate this thread as the Number 1 candidate in the category: "When good threads go horribly bad - 2013"

....after 17 pages....I have figured this much out:

1. Some enterprising folks in Y-town are willing to put it out there and build an indoor track (a dream of theirs) = Good
2. Local folks reading the post are supportive of the idea, thus encouraging said folks to proceed = Good
3. Some people from existing indoor facilities feel the need to add their .02...mostly doom and gloom = Bad
4. Some people from #3, also go as far as to predict the demise of MX has already occurred (while yearning for an indoor facility monopoly to get their mojo back $) = More bad
5. Similar to #4, others go to great lengths to ensure "processes & permits" are followed by folks in #1 (seemingly hoping to undermine the project, delay or discredit it) = Petty & Defensive


I guess in the end we will each, as individuals, decide for ourselves what impressions have been made.....I have already made mine up well before the page count hits 20+........
 
Some of the things you've said came off as though you hoped for failure. NEMX did as well. From both of you all I've gained was that you're worried about Losing riders. Gain more by making something bigger out of it. There's what now? 5 indoors 6 including summit? Sure people do ride outdoors later now but I'm willin to bet that if all the indoors were to get together with the cra you could all come up with a considerably bad ass local indoor series. I know each track does or has done their own little series. This is all well and good but what happens when you're tired of riding the same place for one series of racing? Add the other tracks, make a schedule 2-3 events at each track even more could definitely bring in a good winter weekend income that would really help to fund each facility.
 
I don't believe that just an indoor series is going stop our sport alone from slowing as it has. I do however believe that initiative shown here, could by all means carry into summer/outdoor promoters and bring back what MX was 15 years ago. Showing up 2-3 hours early a EVERY race and still have a hard time parking. I will never call moto dead as its not. It's just slowed drastically and those with the means to make it liven back up either don't understand how to, or just don't want to. I don't know, personally. But I do know that there's a lot more than what's being done that could be done. It'a truly a shame to see it slowing as it is.
 
I am not mad that they are opening, I saind nothing about that, actually said I hoped they did well when opened in more than one post. I am sure my son will go there and pay to ride like he does the other indoors. It would be a good change of pace.

cbb brandon said:
shoot i just want to get some big air in the ghetto, i might even listen 2 jigaboo music all the way there, count me in, the other track owners shouldnt be mad since they have family members that ride, a new track is always sweet to go 2, tell me ramjams son isnt bored of ridin there day n and day out.bunch a god damn bickering old ladies.
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