Smith Rd. Vintage?

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sturd

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Vintagemx discussion board seems to think maybe we could get enough
bikes for a class again. Maybe the race before AMA comes for a vintage
event so we locals have some advantage!

If we have 6-7 bikes ready to race at sign up, do we get a class?

[directed to the new owners who's name is not in long term
memory yet]
 
I will ask Larry what his minimum requirement for a class is, would love to see the local vintage guys at the AHRMA race June 22 & 23.
 
Ok just talked to him and he said a minimum of 5 to run a vintage class so if you have 6-7 you are good to go! Which races were you guys looking at? We have Memorial day (monday) the Police and Fire I'm sure would be happy to give you all a class they are pretty flexible and they have the June 15th race (which is open to everyone who wants to race) then AHRMA is June 22&23, 4th of July and Labor day. Just let me know so I'm prepared for you guys at sign ups! Have a great winter!
 
And the new owner is Larry Plas, sorry forgot that in my first post. Im his daughter Cristy, my brother Mikey and I help him at the track. Feel free to shoot us any questions concerning class offerings and what not:D
 
I could be ready for Memorial Day. The mighty C&J hasn't been started in 2 years but it wasn't put away wet (I don't think).
 
How about just an old bike ride day on a Saturday? Could probably drum up 30-50 riders. They don't make much noise (compared to loud 4 strokes).

I'd be way more into that than a race.
 
Don't forget about open practice to gain track time plus it is a blast to pass modern bikes in the corners!
 
vintage bike practice

Would prefer to do a weekday vintage bike practice. Just to keep the neighbors happy but if weekend is the only option we will try to work it in.
 

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Agree, you have an interesting setup there.

We just never see enough vintage Thumpers on here. Takes me back a couple years when we were intensely discussing Rockets Husky 510.
 
Unfortunately, I can't find anymore pics. I need to dig the thing outa the
barn if I'm gonna make Smith Rd. Memorial Day though. I'll take some then.

The thing is a weapon. I really don't understand why this wasn't the hot
setup in the way back. I suppose because the fast guys weren't 50. It will
drag race a 250 Elsinore even up (stroker crank and big piston, displacement is
341cc). I've had people comment on how well it goes over rough old time
MX stuff (elsinore forks and Works Performance shocks). The chassis weighs
about 1/3 the stocker. The motor allows you to be lazy in comparison to a
two smoke. It will pick up from just off idle and flat haul in a totally controllable
manner. Ride it like a flat tracker where you can and you can make a LOT
of time. And long straights, like at Mid-O last time I was there, along the road,
it'll top out 10mph higher than anything else because it'll pull the gearing
everywhere else.

The other reason it wasn't the hot setup back then is it would have
been expensive. Need a stock XL250, $800 for a frame, who knows
for the suspension and bits and pieces. I bought a CR125 in 73
for $650, this would have cost at least twice that.
 
sturd said:
Unfortunately, I can't find anymore pics. I need to dig the thing outa the
barn if I'm gonna make Smith Rd. Memorial Day though. I'll take some then.

The thing is a weapon. I really don't understand why this wasn't the hot
setup in the way back. I suppose because the fast guys weren't 50. It will
drag race a 250 Elsinore even up (stroker crank and big piston, displacement is
341cc). I've had people comment on how well it goes over rough old time
MX stuff (elsinore forks and Works Performance shocks). The chassis weighs
about 1/3 the stocker. The motor allows you to be lazy in comparison to a
two smoke. It will pick up from just off idle and flat haul in a totally controllable
manner. Ride it like a flat tracker where you can and you can make a LOT
of time. And long straights, like at Mid-O last time I was there, along the road,
it'll top out 10mph higher than anything else because it'll pull the gearing
everywhere else.

The other reason it wasn't the hot setup back then is it would have
been expensive. Need a stock XL250, $800 for a frame, who knows
for the suspension and bits and pieces. I bought a CR125 in 73
for $650, this would have cost at least twice that.
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I was on an open vintage bike that year and I was afraid to open it up on that back straight. No deisire to experience Yamahop at speed.

That's a great bike. Is there a story behind its' build? And how did you come by it?
 
k01 said:
I was on an open vintage bike that year and I was afraid to open it up on that back straight. No deisire to experience Yamahop at speed.

That's a great bike. Is there a story behind its' build? And how did you come by it?
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I knew the bike, sort of. My roadracing buddy Dave 'Ski built it when he was working
for H&H Cycle, 73 or 74. Built it to enduro, it has one of only a couple aluminum
air boxes that C&J built, just for enduro. He didn't get the adjustable head (angle)
as he was already way over his head on the cost. Wish I had that now, I'd turn it
into a vintage flat tracker.

He enduro'ed it a couple years then parked it. Somewhere around 79, he and
I met for the first time at Nelson. Around then another buddy (Mark) bought the C&J
and a spare motor from Dave, intending to trail ride it. Got it apart for repairs then
started roadracing then everything sat. Except he bought another stocker
XL250 for spares.

About '95, Mark moved to a house near mine and I was there talking about a
land speed record run (another story) and I noticed the pile of C&J. I told
him I'd just bought an Elsinore 125, just like the one I had in '73. If he ever
wanted to part with that pile, give me a call first. A couple years later the
pile was mine. Enough for three running motors including a cam that breaks
the rockers first time you rev the thing out. Took a couple of years and
a number of bottles of chardonnay plying 'ski to get info out of him before I was
ready for an assault on AHRMA national racing. Besides picking through the
pile of NOS pistons and powroll cranks (and a cam that I will give to anybody
else that tries to build one so they can have the enjoyment of building a couple
extra motors), the biggest fix to the motor was sending the ignition (alternator)
cover to Iowa where a guy turns the bike, with the addition of an ATC185 cam
end setup, into a points less ignition. First or second kick every time now.

That really fast stuff you don't want to Yamahop on? I live for that. Can't
keep an old roadracer down. And the C&J works SO good on that.
 
I am witness to the mighty XL from the first time sturd showed up at a run what you brung Smith Rd. Vintage race a dozen or so years ago.......I didn't know Mike back then, but his XL went around that place at warp speed....we were all like....who the F is that?........ha ha....

Some years later...I see sturd at the first (and only?) Supermoto event in the Muni parking lot in Cleveland and he was sliding around on an old XL/XR600? Honda putting in solid laps.....folks were trippin' seeing how fast he boogied that relic around a mondern Supermoto course....

...i guess that is why his tag says....go fast ..take chances....
 
sturd said:
I knew the bike, sort of. My roadracing buddy Dave 'Ski built it when he was working
for H&H Cycle, 73 or 74. Built it to enduro, it has one of only a couple aluminum
air boxes that C&J built, just for enduro. He didn't get the adjustable head (angle)
as he was already way over his head on the cost. Wish I had that now, I'd turn it
into a vintage flat tracker.

He enduro'ed it a couple years then parked it. Somewhere around 79, he and
I met for the first time at Nelson. Around then another buddy (Mark) bought the C&J
and a spare motor from Dave, intending to trail ride it. Got it apart for repairs then
started roadracing then everything sat. Except he bought another stocker
XL250 for spares.

About '95, Mark moved to a house near mine and I was there talking about a
land speed record run (another story) and I noticed the pile of C&J. I told
him I'd just bought an Elsinore 125, just like the one I had in '73. If he ever
wanted to part with that pile, give me a call first. A couple years later the
pile was mine. Enough for three running motors including a cam that breaks
the rockers first time you rev the thing out. Took a couple of years and
a number of bottles of chardonnay plying 'ski to get info out of him before I was
ready for an assault on AHRMA national racing. Besides picking through the
pile of NOS pistons and powroll cranks (and a cam that I will give to anybody
else that tries to build one so they can have the enjoyment of building a couple
extra motors), the biggest fix to the motor was sending the ignition (alternator)
cover to Iowa where a guy turns the bike, with the addition of an ATC185 cam
:end setup, into a points less ignition. First or second kick every time now.

That really fast stuff you don't want to Yamahop on? I live for that. Can't
keep an old roadracer down. And the C&J works SO good on that.
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Evem more cool with that story. All the advantages that modern four stokes enjoy in a vintage bike. The ignition mod is newer but were all those other motor hop ups around in '73-'74?

I happened upon a combination with my '73 360 MX that makes it seem more comfortable at speed but I'm not a chance taker and that bike is way too heavy to test any limits.
 
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