ALTA Redshift Price Drop.

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Just going to make the battery lease payment, turn them in for the latest and greatest battery available. Bam!
 
I want one in a bad way. However, I'm not sure I can drop 10k when I can get an 18 450 for 7k. I buy a 450, then next year with the cash saved over the Alta, I can buy my timbersled kit for the 450. Hmmm
 
Bill480 said:
lmao

i must of missed the part where they marketed the alta as a replacement for every factory bike

if you can't do all of those things with the throttle instead of a clutch then it is not the bike for you apparently
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GeorgiePorgie said:
I don’t even think A lot of pros even touch the clutch.....it’s all throttle control. If they have to it’s becuase they want more power. Electric bikes are just snappy as hell and don’t fall on their face. So why do we need a clutch?
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I guess Gary Bailey doesnt know what he is talking about then. Its not about starting, stopping or shifting, its about bike control. Check Gary Semics stuff too. Read this article, its a safety device, control device and traction control device. It doesnt matter what type of drive moves the bike at all.

http://www.racerxvt.com/article/gary-bailey-trackside---in-the-clutch

" then riders realized that the new four-stroke engine had lots of bottom end power and much better power, so they thought they didn’t need the clutch anymore. I never understood this because I always thought good riding was as much about controlling the power as having better power and you just cannot control your power without using the clutch."



"So lesson one: learn to use the clutch with just one finger and learn to ride with your finger on the clutch all the time so that it is there and ready if you need a little clutch to control your power.

It is important to understand how the clutch works to use it properly. You should think of the clutch as having a little traction control device. Think about how you use the clutch when you do a start. If you understand that how you release the clutch is important on a start, then you can understand can that how you apply and release the clutch is important everywhere else on the track too"

You can read the rest on your own. But to shorten it, The clutch is what helps separate the great riders from the good ones in the pro ranks.
 
Meister said:
We need a freaking dealer around here. Tried to get the owner of Kames to get on it, but it's not in the cards. Someone local is missing out on a perfect opportunity to get ahead of the game. This is our future. Im telling ya. Before too long, there will be specific classes for electric bikes from the local level to the amateur national level up into the pros. Mark my words.
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Hell the already have an electric indy car series... was watching it Saturday before the sx race. Was weird watching those cars flying with a high pitch buzzing sound
 
I've got no opinion about anything until I ride one - but ya gotta believe the engineers & test riders know a little bit....
Motion from ICE is different than motion from electric.

I ripped this from the net.



One must try to understand, why a clutch is necessary in a vehicle in the very first place. An internal combustion engine requires to be running at a minimum pace, in most cases around 790rpm or higher. This is the idle state of the engine, and at lower rpm, the engine will simply stall and not be capable of generating any motion. Now the vehicle requires a great amount of force to initiate the motion (inertia) and this is generated at a higher rpm than speed at which the wheels are revolving (when the vehicle is at rest). What a clutch allows you to do is, engage and disengage the driving force from the motor (or engine) to the wheels, allowing you to apply brakes or keep the vehicle motor idling without the vehicle being in motion. Also, once the vehicle is in motion, the wheels require lesser torque to turn, or increase their speed. And since there are severe limits to the rounds per minute of an internal combustion engine, and more power available in different rev-bands, gearing mechanisms can be used to increase the output speed of the vehicle.

Now, an electric vehicle may not require the motor to be idling, and it can generate the initial torque required to initiate the vehicles motion by drawing extra power from the circuit, as opposed to an engine depending on the momentum stored in a moving flywheel. As a result, it may not be necessary to actually have a clutch mechanism. Also, since electric motors can almost deliver their power in a linear form with increasing power being drawn from the circuit, it becomes redundant to actually add a gearing mechanism. But this may not be true, in case of cars that have complex mechanisms to transfer power from the motor to the wheels, or in the case of hybrids. Even in the case of hybrids, because of the complexity, it is rare to find a manual clutch and gear mechanism - most manufacturers would prefer to offer automatic mechanism on both electric as well as hybrid vehicles.
 
When we do the indoor electric cart racing - the guy that smokes us all (by a big margin) NEVER touches the brake - NEVER.
It blows me away - the cars have brake lights so you can see he's not lying.
The dude fly's around the track - never touching the brakes -!
He modulates the throttle....

I'm out there like a spode - screeching the tires and sliding the back end around wasting all kinds of momentum ....he's smooth as silk as he smokes us ..
 
MarctheSharc said:
I've got no opinion about anything until I ride one - but ya gotta believe the engineers & test riders know a little bit....
Motion from ICE is different than motion from electric.

I ripped this from the net.



One must try to understand, why a clutch is necessary in a vehicle in the very first place. An internal combustion engine requires to be running at a minimum pace, in most cases around 790rpm or higher. This is the idle state of the engine, and at lower rpm, the engine will simply stall and not be capable of generating any motion. Now the vehicle requires a great amount of force to initiate the motion (inertia) and this is generated at a higher rpm than speed at which the wheels are revolving (when the vehicle is at rest). What a clutch allows you to do is, engage and disengage the driving force from the motor (or engine) to the wheels, allowing you to apply brakes or keep the vehicle motor idling without the vehicle being in motion. Also, once the vehicle is in motion, the wheels require lesser torque to turn, or increase their speed. And since there are severe limits to the rounds per minute of an internal combustion engine, and more power available in different rev-bands, gearing mechanisms can be used to increase the output speed of the vehicle.

Now, an electric vehicle may not require the motor to be idling, and it can generate the initial torque required to initiate the vehicles motion by drawing extra power from the circuit, as opposed to an engine depending on the momentum stored in a moving flywheel. As a result, it may not be necessary to actually have a clutch mechanism. Also, since electric motors can almost deliver their power in a linear form with increasing power being drawn from the circuit, it becomes redundant to actually add a gearing mechanism. But this may not be true, in case of cars that have complex mechanisms to transfer power from the motor to the wheels, or in the case of hybrids. Even in the case of hybrids, because of the complexity, it is rare to find a manual clutch and gear mechanism - most manufacturers would prefer to offer automatic mechanism on both electric as well as hybrid vehicles.
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Again, you are missing the point. Its not about power output or stalling like the article you posted. Its about controlling the power that is there. But I guess Im beating a dead horse when I show that one of the greatest MX teachers of all time says you need to use it always to be fast AND safe by controlling your power. Cars dont require it like a bike, unless you are skimming whoops, jumping or abusing it through ruts and bumps.
 
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