talonrunner18
PR Addict
Money and management are obviously reasons why D12 failed. Like any business if you lack capital, lack management and cant keep up with innovation you will fail.
Well I have been reading all of these posts about district 12 I think the bigger questions is what thew heck happend to our sport that was thriving in the 1980's ??? District 11 was awsome and now its almost gone.
I personally think that the change from outdoor motocross to these new type of ourdoor tracks where all you do is jump bigger and bigger things for the most part has hurt the sport in general, along with the economy, cost of these expensive 4 stroke motors has really hurt to boot. I have a friend wih a 450 that needs a grand in parts just to get it running!!! I think if we can get the tracks tamed out a bit it would help, racing wise streamlining some of the classes wouldnt hurt ether maybe some newer 2 stroke motors to come along would help as well
class wise back in the day you had 80cc mini jr, sr, 65cc, pw 50, vet 30, vet 40, 125 a,b,c 250 a,b,c and open b,a, quad, and women that was it
there are way too many classes now which drag the days out longer and hurt. I think the AMA could help this by taking points out of C class and doing away with some of the other classes altogether without points in c class this would help advance riders to the b class and give the c class to the guys that should be in there. win 2 races, then you advance to b When I ran C back in the mid 80's I never ran for points I ran for the fun of competing As for the tracks, look at outdoor pro races from the 1980's and compare to now as far as track configuration also pay attention to how many "pro" racers are hurt these days. Riding buy yourself and jumping this bigger stuff is one thing, doing it in a big pack is another. I know I am not as fast as I was then, but I can tell you that without a doubt, I jump higher and farther now then when I was 16 in 1986, I am a 44 years old now. I have ran a few fair races and I think the "catapult" type jumps are not a good idea, totally blind as far as where you are going when you leave the ground, I saw a guy crash at a race and another guy plow into him, it was ugly
lucky both of them walked away. I suggested to the track referee at the last fair race to consider using a big table like the one on the a/b track at briarcliff, his response to me was if you dont like it "just dont jump it" you need to be open to new ideas!! our class had 11 and was the 3rd biggest of the night thats terrible!!!
jump wise you shouldnt have to lock up the brakes to roll over jumps, you should be albe to ride over them whether you bomb them fast or not that really takes the fun out of a track when you have to do that
Briarcliff had what was considered a nice turnout at 400 or so riders for the battle of ohio
back in the day you had that many at honda hills almost every week maybe some of the answers for todays problems with lack of riders lie "back in the day" the sport needs riders from all ages and skill levels, and tracks to match right now there arent may of the less skilled riders willing to race for various reasons, and it is hurting the sport and with honda hills closed for now that easier track doesnt exist to race on
Briarcliff's C track would be a nice one to gets some newbies to try racing but I dont think he has any place to put a gate. Also night racing was big, now its pratically gone without a couple of tracks that arent open right now that were then, I think that hurts the people that have to work early on saturdays as well.
If something isnt done soon this sport is in real trouble in my opinion, just my .02 cents
I agree with this. I am 44 and don't have the skills or balls to double some of these monster jumps, rolling them or jumping into and then out of is super dangerous with as fast as people are and the HUGE jumps. Put that together in a race and I prefer to ride "practice" days over racing any time. On another note, how do most people feel about random race order? Back in the glory days of Saturday night races at Honda Hills, we would show up early for the 60's 80's and school boys and run our races and then stick around for the 'show' with the 125, 250 and opens. (Full gates in the 125/250 b AND c classes!) My point is this: My son races 65's and it blows to show up on a Sunday morning at the crack of dawn, practice, and then be the 19 moto in the first round. (WTF is there 19 motos any way?) but second, wouldn't it be nice to know that you could show up at the track on Sunday at 7, know you would have practice and race and be done in 3-4 hours and then have the other group show up at 1pm and be done in 3-4 hours? It doesn't matter the order, just make sure things run on time and on schedule (if possible) and maybe more people would turn out on race days. Nothing like being there 12-14 hours because of the 'random' race order. Just a thought? Does that idea suck?
Still nothing of any use, as far as answering original question.
Great idea except for the fact that I have no land, no money, only half a brain... lol
Great idea except for the fact that I have no land, no money, only half a brain... lol
And Freeh- what I've "been looking for" is an explanation from the people that actually ran the district on exactly why it folded- not a bunch of "it was probably". Since all we got that was even close was "go tell Paul to Go**** himself" (and that proves I was getting closer to a real answer) I guess nobody's got the balls (or thinks enough of the question) to speak up. Pitracer should just close this thread because it could go on forever....It's already gone on too long. I'm going riding somewhere.
3rd point: They aren't going to answer you FMXPaul - They don't like you. You seemed to stir up trouble back then, and here you are again. I tried to change their mind about you all of these years, but they won't return my calls either... bahahahahhahahahhahahha