BriarcliffMx
PR Founding Father
I think all C class riders should wear neck braces!!
Im sorry but you dont get it. You are worried about alienating seasoned racers who dont belong in the C class. All the while you ARE alienating the true beginner rider who belongs in C class. You are alienating one of the ways we grow the sport. Your C class LL racers make up a small fraction of the C class nation wide and you are rewarding them by letting them feel like kings for winning the C class at local events.
Poor marketing strategy. Look at the pure market feedback you are receiving just here on this board. You have one or two who agree with you...one of which has been rewarded by following the rules .... every other reply is telling you it isnt right. Yet you want to stick to your guns and defend what the large majority of racers are telling you doesnt work.
Knox has the AMA tagged just right.
Im sorry but you dont get it. You are worried about alienating seasoned racers who dont belong in the C class. All the while you ARE alienating the true beginner rider who belongs in C class. You are alienating one of the ways we grow the sport. Your C class LL racers make up a small fraction of the C class nation wide and you are rewarding them by letting them feel like kings for winning the C class at local events.
Poor marketing strategy. Look at the pure market feedback you are receiving just here on this board. You have one or two who agree with you...one of which has been rewarded by following the rules .... every other reply is telling you it isnt right. Yet you want to stick to your guns and defend what the large majority of racers are telling you doesnt work.
Knox has the AMA tagged just right.
Im sorry but you dont get it. You are worried about alienating seasoned racers who dont belong in the C class. All the while you ARE alienating the true beginner rider who belongs in C class. You are alienating one of the ways we grow the sport. Your C class LL racers make up a small fraction of the C class nation wide and you are rewarding them by letting them feel like kings for winning the C class at local events.
Poor marketing strategy. Look at the pure market feedback you are receiving just here on this board. You have one or two who agree with you...one of which has been rewarded by following the rules .... every other reply is telling you it isnt right. Yet you want to stick to your guns and defend what the large majority of racers are telling you doesnt work.
Knox has the AMA tagged just right.
Hershey, I have to disagree with you. Everyone here seems focused on the "sandbaggers" which you have said make up a small percentage of the "C" class. Why would you react by changing the rules for a small percentage of that population? They are continuing to modify the advancement system to try and catch the few that are finding loop holes or ways to avoid advancement. The majority of the "C" class population are not doing anything wrong even by your criteria. Why would they not be discouraged if they were forced to race a B/C class? They would be coming to the races knowing they have little chance to do well. If that were me I would not be too excited to go racing. The it will make you faster line is also not a good excuse. Sure practice with better people to make you faster. But race with the class you are competitive in and when you get advanced then move up. This sport is as much about the mental side of things as it is the physical. Making someone compete in a situation where the bar is set out of reach is discouraging. Once that is in a riders head they are already beat. Then the next step is loss of motivation to even try. It would be irresponsible for the AMA to make a knee jerk reaction to address such a small percentage of the racing population.
In any class you can watch and see the riders that excel and the ones that are there trying but don't have the same success. I don't see why the focus is always on the "C" class when it comes to this. You have the same situation in the "B" class and the "A" class for that matter. Should we make some changes to address those classes and stop the same riders from winning each time? I don't see the difference in logic.
As far as this site being "pure market feedback" that would be a stretch to say the least. There have been a hand full of people involved in this thread and I know the majority of them have nothing to do with the "C" class. How is that good feedback when the customers being discussed of affected are not even represented. I cant say that I blame them either I'm sure their opinion would be attacked if they decided to chime in.
While the AMA is not perfect I do see them trying to improve and adapt.
I think everyone needs a hug, a medal and an ice cream cone so they will not get discouraged from racing.......not everyone is cut out for motocross. If your feelings get hurt because someone is faster than maybe you should try another sport?? Pussification of America rolls on. When i get beat, I try to work on what im doing wrong so I can get faster and maybe win the next time. Compete against yourself, dont worry about Johnny Mcgrath and Georgie Carmichael. Crying "its not fair" is like dealing with the kids. Lifes not fair, get over it. PR has now become a liberal breeding ground......free hugs this weekend at the cliff, i will buy a designated hugging tree, maybe a cactus (metaphor for life).
Alright Justin.....so if doing large jumps that more C riders are doing than B riders at times is ok then lets leave it be.
Its not Sandbaging , its not moving up and incorrect classification of C class. No one is saying you cheated so dont get defensive about Nick. You followed the rules....worthless rules. There is no way your son, or any rider with his experience, should be classified by the AMA as a novice rider.
Lets look at the definition of the word NOVICE
nov·ice
ˈnävəs/
noun
In the C class last year is that the definition you would tag Nick as a novice rider?
- a person new to or inexperienced in a field or situation.
"he was a complete novice in foreign affairs"
synonyms: beginner, learner, neophyte, newcomer, initiate, tyro,fledgling; More
So there in lies the problem. And you are correct, Nick wouldnt have been as competitive in the B class for LL last year either.
Just to put this into perspective for Alex and everyone else, So we arent picking on C class only, Ryan Dungey went pro directly from B class. Im sure there are others. So by the AMA being lax on advancement to protect the winning desire of B and C class riders only the REAL select few who take home the podium finishes are rewarded. How would Nick or any rider of his level even begin to compete with riders who are moving to factory racing teams ftaor the nationals that same summer? The rest are being discouraged by knowing they cant compete against the riders who know they cant compete. Now By the time you reach B class you understand you cant win everything. But by then you are a seasoned rider who is vested in doing better and having fun. The NOVICE class is not. They are NEW ( see above definition ) to the sport and are learning the ropes, they still need to get "hooked" to the sport. They GROW our sport. NO offense Justin but you are looking at this through the eyes of a seasoned vet rider, a father of a boy who is chasing the dream. From your perspective you cant see the curiosity of a new and inexperienced racer.
As for the marketing.....yes I would call it pure market information. Like any other marketing research you know that only a small percentage of your market will respond to any type poll. But those few respondents represent by percentages what the entire demographic is feeling. ANy time this topic is brought up at the track, on here or any other board like this you get the EXACT same responses. A large majority see a massive problem with the classification system and a very small percentage do not. A smart marketing research person would gather that information and present it to their boss or client and suggest a change is needed. But in the case of the AMA .... lets give it BNG and sweep it under the rug.
.. Why would they not be discouraged if they were forced to race a B/C class? They would be coming to the races knowing they have little chance to do well.If that were me I would not be too excited to go racing.
You had me at free ice cream! Wahoo.I think everyone needs a hug, a medal and an ice cream cone so they will not get discouraged from racing.......not everyone is cut out for motocross. If your feelings get hurt because someone is faster than maybe you should try another sport?? Pussification of America rolls on. When i get beat, I try to work on what im doing wrong so I can get faster and maybe win the next time. Compete against yourself, dont worry about Johnny Mcgrath and Georgie Carmichael. Crying "its not fair" is like dealing with the kids. Lifes not fair, get over it. PR has now become a liberal breeding ground......free hugs this weekend at the cliff, i will buy a designated hugging tree, maybe a cactus (metaphor for life).
......free hugs this weekend at the cliff, i will buy a designated hugging tree, maybe a cactus (metaphor for life).