Opinion article from a Romney advisor.
hershey,
Yea, it is an interesting article. I dug for ones that had actual data for why Obamacare made
the increase in health care cost go up and couldn't find any that were believable. Costs have
been going up for a long time, nothing to do with that.
TimSr90, Your employer charges you to park and you believe a word they say?
I have no idea what you are talking about concerning parking, or who you think I work for,Sorry, screen names not in my brain yet. It was Georgie Porgie that has to pay to park.
Do you believe a word Obama says?[QUUOTE]
I don't believe any of them. Do you believe a word *either* of these
butt heads say?
Much of what you have to say I sorta agree with, Obamacare did nothing
to cut costs. Except for the 20% G&A cap for insurance companies.
But your Bus101 argument is specious as we pay those costs, no matter
what. I could tell you some horror stories if it didn't violate HIPAA law but
people that can't afford health care always show up at the emergency
room, sicker than if they could have seen a doctor in his office because
now it really hurts, and the hospital HAS TO TAKE THEM! You and I pay
for that.
You want to really cut costs - make sure every kid has regular checkups
starting when their mother gets pregnant. Help people not get pregnant
unless they want to. Make serious incentives for people who don't take
care of themselves - that are 400 pounds and smoking - so they don't end up
at the emergency room or on lifetime COPD treatment. Hell, give them a
motocrosser and lessons, far cheaper. Let people that are going to die,
die. I'm not talking ice floes but putting them on a ventilator for three
days until they're dead makes no sense.
Sure, you can ask for more tort reform, won't hurt anything. But Ohio
already has pretty decent one and it didn't do squat.
You really want to cut costs? Cut out the insurance companies completely.
Medicare. Most countries have already done it and their people are as
healthy as we are. Takes a layer of markup out.
And the NYTimes has no bias? Get real! As left as it gets, forever!
Check out the links to interest/advocasy groups for the center cited in the Times piece.
http://www.hschange.com/index.cgi?func=res#resourcetype2 And do they reference their bias. Well, of course not. Never had to, never will.
Believable? Big difference between believable and not having an open mind to what is going on.
On that, we agree.
If you dont already see how much spending Obama has increased in his 4 years and how much worse our debt is in
that time period then you are not going to now.
That's a different subject and based on your bias there, no use discussing, you don't have an
open mind about it anyway. Though, as I already said in this thread, we don't stop spending
like idiots, we're screwed.
We will just have to agree to disagree! One of the great things about our country, choice!
Agreed again.
Predictions anybody?
Which way will Ohio go?
My turn to have no idea what you're talking about. The article quoted the Kaiser
Family Foundation which typically works with the Washington Post I think. Sure,
it was published in the Times but what was cited in that article that led you to
that list?
"Paul Ginsburg, the president of the Center for Studying Health System Change, a nonpartisan research group" This is from the Times piece. A very partisan research group would be a better description.
Kaiser doesn't have a vested interest in promoting Obamacare? The Washington Post isn't left leaning? Like I said, get real. Or better yet, get educated.
That's a different subject and based on your bias there, no use discussing, you don't have an
open mind about it anyway. Though, as I already said in this thread, we don't stop spending
like idiots, we're screwed.
Agreed again.